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TRADITIONAL DISCIPLINE by ArtBoy62 TRADITIONAL DISCIPLINE by ArtBoy62
The 1920s and 30s saw the publication of a great many magazine articles on domestic spanking and at least one book...

'Correction That Corrects'

Written mostly by educated, middle class women, they all extolled the virtues of knickers down, bare bottomed spanking to correct bad behavior in children. Of course not everybody was convinced by their arguments... Other women wrote passionate anti spanking articles to convince parents not to spank their children, even if they thought spanking would stop their kids behaving like spoiled, out of control brats.

The anti spank loby in the 20s and 30s were, on the whole moderate in their opposition. Not so these days. I've read articles that suggest spanking parents are no better than violent criminals... A high profile celebrity was photographed spanking her daughter and these shots were splashed all over the tabloid media, with on-line comments suggesting the celeb. had no right to discipline her own child.
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TheGroundedAviator Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
Don't care for it but also don't for the modern one who go on about violent criminals.
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CrimsonKidCK Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Ahhhh, that was from that 'reality' show with the sextuplets, "Jon and Kate Plus Eight," right?

I've never watched the TV program, but I did see the photographs on the cover of a tabloid magazine in a local supermarket.

It looked like the mother (Kate) merely gave one of her daughters a couple of sharp handslaps over the girl's shorts, hardly anything 'abusive' to my way of thinking.

Corporal punishment of children was very widely practiced (and accepted) in the U.S.A. before World War II, not much serious resistance to it--then Margaret Spenser suggested that spouses should spank each other for domestic discipline (1936)... --C.K.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2013
I little historic research will reveal that there have ALWAYS been pro and anti spanking groups...

In Ancient Greece, athletics was performed naked... Boys only, small and adolescent girls could attend but it was strictly forbidden, on pain of death, for mature or married women to attend...

Adolescent boys, as most of them were, could be publicly whipped, usually on the naked bottom, for breaking too soon in a sprint race... or for cheating generally. Many public commentators disapproved of corporal punishment in public and recorded their objections for posterity... other notables were 100% behind corporal punishment for petty criminals and naughty school boys... Girls were chained to the kitchen sink for life. Punishment for being born girls I suppose.

Sounds familier... Ancient people, over 2000 years ago were having the same debates we have now in the 21st Century... about sports cheats, about the use of corporal punishment, about the futility of endless wars, the irrationality of mythical gods who no Greek had ever set eyes on...

Pity they didn't have the web back then. 


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Dcfedvds Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
Bedtime spankings, standing in the corner with pants and underwear down after spanking and others are the sexual fantasies! Don't you get it?!
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2013
Oh man! Off we go again... debating the same old pro/anti spanking argument. I get everything and nothing these days. 

I'll say this again for the mentally and emotionally challenged...

My stuff is ALL narrative FICTION and ART, using your actual ART MATERIALS... How scary is that? 

My plots are based on decades of research and your actual first hand experience as a well disciplined kid in my home and at my schools.

You presumably want to police other people's private thoughts and creative impulses... 

That is Big Brother shit and no sane, intelligent humanoid likes it... 

Me least of all... Get it?
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2013
I notice you have't any art or creative writing to offer other users... 

you just like to whinge and moan and criticise other artists and writers... 

I will simply delete your lame posts in future.
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Dcfedvds Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
BTW. You should look at Carol's story. www.nospank.net/carol2.htm
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
Alright... If you insist.
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Dcfedvds Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
Good to know.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
Get back to you later.
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Dcfedvds Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
I was talking about ritualized spankings for real life children, like bedtime spankings, making them stand in the corner with pants and underwear down after spankings, morning spankings, and others.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
Most punishments are ritualised... Ever seen a capital punishment. They all proceed like clockwork, as if ALL the participants are in a trance...

George Orwell wrote probably the most moving description of an ritualised execution ever written...

The famous, 'one man less, one world less' prose.

The knickers/underpants down corner time thing is like the drum role at a state execution... It's all part of the punishment ritual...

I mean, shit! If the whole idea was simply to destroy some convicted serial killer, the executioner could simply enter the felon's cell and put a bullet in his/her head and call it a day...

Why stuff around with all the pomp and ceremony, the raised gallows, ropes, axes, electric chairs, guillotines, viewing rooms, firing squads, blindfolds. Packed lunches and family picnic hampers at jolly hangings in the old west?

The punishments are for US that's why... not the guy who's about to depart this mortal coil for his mortal sins.

Same with spanking, if all a parent wanted to do was inflict pain, he/she would simply make their naughty child listen to pro spank-anti spank debates until the culprit screamed for mercy.
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Dcfedvds Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
You don't seem to understand that spanking is child sexual abuse. Children will get spanking fetish later in life because of childhood spankings can't you see that?!
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CrimsonKidCK Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013
Actually, if you participate on internet spanking sites (including this one), you'll find that numerous adult spankophiles were never corporally corrected as children--yet they somehow eroticized spanking and/or being spanked.

Of course, early in the twentieth century the vast majority of American children were punished for misconduct via spanking, yet only a relatively small percentage of them eroticized it--although most of them obviously went on to spank their own offspring.

Why people develop spanking fetishes is a more complex issue than you appear to think--not that being a spankophile is necessarily a negative situation, IMHO. "Happiness is a warm bottom..." --C.K.
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Dcfedvds Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
Well, they banned spankings in schools that's why. Here's the website you understand. www.nospank.net/101.htm
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
I totally support a ban on school spanking, leathering, paddling, caning, whatever...

I always have... And not just because I was caned, leathered, and spanked in primary and secondary schools myself.

However... if a child or adolescent repeatedly misbehaves... particularly if they are reprimanded for bullying... I believe parents should be informed...

It is up to said parent to take action THEY think is appropriate, and not some government busy body paid to poke their noses into matters that should not concern them.

I maintain that domestic PARENTAL smacking and spanking should be allowed by law, and it is where I come from... None implement hand spanking anyway...

To start telling parents what is and what is not right for THEIR own children is big brother style totalitarianism and totally unacceptable.

Will you, or some nosy Parker social worker care about these undisciplined brats when they find themselves in juvenile detention... or worse... because they were not taken in hand when they were running wild... when a well deserved spanking would have done some good?

Didn't think so.

Alright, so there were and still are a hand full of criminally abusive parents... I am not talking about these moronic whack jobs... I'm talking about LOVING parents who have decided to use moderate corporal punishment, or the deterrent threat of corporal punishment to educate and correct inappropriate, anti social behaviour in their offspring.

I really don't want to wade through page after page of anti-spank propaganda on the web or anywhere else...

The reality is, some children and adolescents do not respond to any kind of disciplinary action... short of a full on, well deserved spanking...

Read all the politically correct, wishy washy, psychobabble ever written and you'll not find a single remedy for bare faced insolence, rank disobedience or aggressive mini gangster, anti social behaviour like bullying.

I rest my case.
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Dcfedvds Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013
Spanking can be sexual abuse though. Childhood spankings can lead to sexual spanking fetish later in life.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
I've always had a problem with sweeping statements like this...

'Spanking can be sexual abuse.'

Says who!

In the past spanking was generally accepted as the most effective way of correcting unacceptable or antisocial behaviour in children and adolescents...

Was every person who administered corporal punishment a sexual abuser?

The suggestion is absurd.

The last part of your comment has an element of truth, but any close physical contact can become overtly sexualised, at the time or at a later date...

A short list... The full list would fill a small library...

Wrestling... boxing... remedial massage... communal showering...physical education... family nudity... swim coaching... dance teaching... Medical procedures...

Why don't we just ban all physical contact between humans, just in case there MIGHT be sexual abuse involved....

While we're at it, let's ban all images that MIGHT be deemed sensual... Than means we need to destroy all human images... in that case... not just art depicting, tits, cocks and bums.

Might I suggest we try to accept human nature... and not try to modify and repress it out of existence.
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Dcfedvds Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
I was reading Darlene's web forums and comments about Spanking: A Case Of Sexual Assault. Go look it up.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2013
I've heard it all before my friend...

The anti spank zealots are like religious zealots, they have a mountain of phoney evidence to back up their sweeping claims.

I'm nether anti or pro spanking...

I don't denigrate or vilify parents who chose to spank as a way of correcting their children and adolescents... as long as they spank moderately and safely.

The anti spank pressure groups are entitled to their enlightened views and generally I share them...

However, this subject is not black and white, there are shades of grey... and special circumstances.
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OgierleDanois Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
Joli dessin!

J'aime le visage souriant et décidé de la jolie dame.

Bravo!
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
Thank you for your kind words.
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BrucieBarebum Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2013
Born in 1951, I might've been 10 or 11 when my schoolteacher mother phoned home late one afternoon. I took the call and wasted little time in letting her know she was interrupting my favourite TV show. A short while later, Mum came through the front door. And as soon as she saw me, no doubt still parked before the TV, she angrily exclaimed "For two cents, I'd spank you!" I certainly deserved a good bottom warming, but that was the story of my childhood; spankings only threatened, never given.

In any case, this picture very much resembles my imagined spanking on that occasion. As you can see, Mum still has her hat on. And having taken down my pants, she had every intention of giving me something to think about by way of my soundly smacked, barenaked bum. For various reasons, it's a shame she never spanked me. By that time, I'd already become fixated on the spanking ritual. Instead of the withdrawal of her affection, maybe a few good bare bottom spankings when I had them coming to me might've given me a better appreciation of Actions & Consequences.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2013
Every time the subject of threatened spankings come up, there is always someone who says...

"My parents would often threaten a..." Spanking you won't forget in a hurry." or words to that effect...

One of my favourites was from a pretty 18 year old studio junior who worked with me in the 1970s. She knew I'd had lots of spankings, canings, strappings and slipper roastings as a naughty boy, because I said that's what she needed to keep her on the straight and narrow...

Her being one hell of a naughty girl herself. She'd give me one of her big grins, then acting the super strict mother, she'd wave her finger at me and ape her mother's tongue lashing dialogue ...

"You cheeky brat , by the time I get finished leathering your arse you won't be able to sit down for a week my girl!"

Everyone would laugh... Tilly was a natural actress and mimic... She had my voice and mannerisms off perfectly... and my bosses...

The boss came into our studio and asked...

"Did your mother really flog you with leather belt, Tilly?"

Tilly said, without any dramatic pauses or hesitation...

"Mother!" she said... with a fond, wistful look...

"she wouldn't flog a fly... she just enjoyed the dramatic way other mothers behaved with their naughty kids.

So that was Tilly's gentle mother, tying to impress her with dire threats of...

"A well leathered arse!"

When Tilly knew she was simply acting a part, the part of a genuine spanking mother with an actual belt in her house. Strange as it may seem, Tilly had vivid dreams of het mother actually belting her bare bottom...

And even stranger.... Tilly said she felt the belt in those dreams, every fiery stroke... She'd wake up when the heat got to intense...

When I suggested that she secretly wanted to experience a motherly leathering for real, she said...

On yer bike, Alan!
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fanfictionfever Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
Its a shame that spanks are concerned abuse. They can turn into abuse, but no if the person is doing it correctly.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
Abuse is an over used word these days... It depends on your definition of abuse and the degree of this supposed abuse...

Let me give you two examples...

Example (1)

This boy, rendered by me in a fictitious house, in the 1920s. He's been naughty and his vintage mother is correcting him... safely, in the classic over the knee position, underpants down...

We must assume she will spank him just long enough and hard enough to correct this naughtiness, and no more. Later she will expect him to say he's sorry... Hopefully he will not repeat his naughtiness.

What do the anti-spank mob do... Imprison their kids in the home (Grounding,) for long periods...

To me that's real abuse because the kid just gets ultra bored... Boredom for some kids is the ultimate torture... They'd rather have a short, sharp spanking any day of the week...

I was such a kid in the 1960s.

Example (2)

Wars are usually started by war mongers... Men and women who want wholesale carnage for their own selfish agendas... The last Gulf war was started by an undercover spy in Iraq who knew the chemical weapons story he told the Americans was a lie... The US intelligence community knew it was a lie too... As did the US general who attempted to sell America's war to an unbelieving UN...

Everyone eventually hot sucked into this shitty war because big brother Uncle Sam had the whip hand and the military might to overpower a previously mauled opponent...

Thousands of innocent kids have been shot, blasted and atrociously abused in this futile Iraq war...

This is but one futile war by the way... Add Afghanistan and countless smaller wars into the equation and you have huge piles of war dead kids...

And everyone assumes this mindless killing, this mindless torture is NOT child abuse of the very worse kind...

Give me a break!
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fanfictionfever Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
I understand your point. The only problem, and this only is for some cases, that the parents would strike the child as after to leave bruises or other injuries that would last. I personally believe that spankings (once again I'm sorry if i spelled/wrote anything wrong in the last message) are fine if it doesn't cross certain lines or makes the child terribly afraid of being hit.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013
Kids like adults are all different...

As a kid I was a hard case rough neck and basically afraid of nothing, certainly not a school or parental spanking...

Sure spankings leave marks but I don't think any kid ever died from them... I was more badly hurt and bruised playing football and fighting other aggressive kids.

There are sensitive kids who are unusually nervous and afraid. These kids generally don't do anything to deserve a spanking and even if they did, a caring parent would use other punishments in his or her case...

Spanking parents are not brutes on the whole, they know their kids and what is appropriate for them.

Of course you always get abusive parents and teachers who overdo it and do become brutes...

That's why the law bans physical punishment in many countries and states. On the whole I agree with the no spanking ban.

My art is basically historical as I've said before. It's also fictional, even when written in the first person...

It's simply a writing style to evoke an eye witness flavour... But it's still fiction, and the art is still just paper, pencils and paint.

I'm sorry if I sounded off about your writing ability... I'm a total idiot sometimes... especially late at night when I'm feeling old and tired.
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fanfictionfever Featured By Owner May 2, 2013
Well around my family there is a say, “Those who don’t learn need to feel.” Which is just generally applied to anything in which because the kid was being stupid ended up feeling pain. One of the most recent because one was standing on the table and fell, only succeeding in getting a small bruise of course. As long as it’s not over done, I don’t think of it as a bad thing typically.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner May 2, 2013
If a parent or both parents... in the case of committed parents... decide to be spanking parents when the child's behaviour or none compliance warrants it...

Then so be it. Who knows your kids better than you do? Nobody I reckon!
Not their teachers not their friends, and certainly not those bloody busy bodies that are constantly trying to stick their huge interfearing noses into our private parental business...

Moderate spanking, when called for, should be every parent's natural right, anywhere on this planet, at any period in our history...

And I'm NOT talking about parents or anyone else who uses excessive or abusive corporal punishments that leave horrendous bruising or even wounds.

It goes without saying, that those people should feel the full weight of the law and our utter condemnation.
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fanfictionfever Featured By Owner May 11, 2013
Ah yes, the busy bodies are annoying. They’re just trying to ‘better’ the world. Only, it’s without the want nor the permission of everyone else. I agree fully with you.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013
*gakusangi 1 hour ago

Quote...

This I love. The vintage style adds a lot 8D

Unquote...

Spanking for me is vintage.

As vintage as authoritarian parents who wanted to 'Beat The Devil' out of their naughty offspring.

Vintage parents who wanted strict discipline to rule their kids lives... in and out of school.

Modern parents don't believe in the Devil, for them this super baddie only exists only in the fevered brains of religious zealots and in adolescent comic books.

Consequently, there's nothing to beat out these days.

Generations of child psychologists have written books telling parents that spanking is... Harmful, cruel... etc... etc...

Discipline is outmoded... Spanking is outmoded, even illegal in some countries and states. Throughout the whole of Europe I believe. Big brother rules from Brussels.

Which is why I think all modern spanking images are lame and unbelievable...

Which is why I do... vintage style spankings.
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gakusangi Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013
This I love. The vintage style adds a lot 8D
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Earendil10 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Such a great artist, such stupid statements. Of course Mrs. Gosselin has a right to hit her children - unfortunately. But other people have as well the right to demand that she SHOULDN'T have that right, and to say what they think about violent parents like her. And if you don't want to have controversial actions of you in the focus of public opinion, you simply shouldn't get famous.

"Everyone complains that kids, teens, and adults are out of control"
Well, I don't. Of course children sometimes get on my nerves, too, but generally I'm just glad they don't have to be drilled puppies like 50+ years ago.

However, although your apology of spanking parents and your glorification of "good ol' days" that weren't good at all, I'd like to say thank you for your wonderful art. You're without doubt a really talented artist!

Earendil, an anti-spanking "zealot" with a spanking fetisch
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
You are of course entitled to your considered opinions. I respect anti spanking arguments.

I also respect parents who choose to spank their own kids when they do the wrong thing.

Being in the public eye should not mean one has to behave like a circus performer on ones own front lawn, pandering to judgemental, intrusive busy bodies, the media and officious cops.

The woman who appeared in all the shrill media rags was not born famous, and to suggest that one should not become famous if one wants to have a free hand with ones own children is outrageous.

That woman was not abusing her daughter, she was disciplining her for her own good.

And don't give me the... "Bad old days," dialogue either.

Cops didn't come running when parents spanked a kid's behind in the "Bad old days" They minded their own business and looked for your actual criminals... You know, muggers, killers and the like.
These days your breaking some law if you fart 3 times...

To many spy cams, to many stupid, irrational laws, to many nosy parkers these days...

Ok so it wasn't all dreamy open vistas and endless freedom in my boyhood...
But at least people got on with their own lives and weren't mindlessly obsessed with what people in the public eye were doing.

Oh, thanks for your kind words regarding my work. I appreciate it.

Kind regards,

Alan
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Earendil10 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
"Being in the public eye should not mean one has to behave like a circus performer on ones own front lawn"
Well, one shouldn't spank children, famous or not. One also shouldn't drive boozed or engage in pub brawls. But if you do it and you're famous, you have to face a public interest for what you're doing. That's the bad side of being a star, and if you want to be one, you have to cope with it.

"she was disciplining her for her own good."
Yes, for HER, the mother's, own good. :/

"And don't give me the... "Bad old days," dialogue either."
Didn't you just say you respect other arguments? Whatever.

Sure, there are bad things today, too, like broad observation and ridiculous overregulation. (Though one shouldn't forget the stupid laws of the past, e.g. homophobic, racist and sexist laws, anti-porn laws, and a lot more.) But generally I'd say today's better than yesterday.

Yeah, cops didn't come running when parents spanked their kids. Unfortunatly. I wouldn't have minded if cops would have told my father that it's not ok to spank me. Maybe that would have an effect. He didn't spank me hard or often, so it wasn't "abusive" in your eyes, but still it was terrible to be hit by the one I loved and depended on. And as much as I love him, thinking about that I still want to travel back in time and slap him in the face. :x So I would have been glad if there had been a law to protect me.

But in fact I don't understand what you're talking about here. Sadly, spanking is still lawful in most parts of the world, including Australia, afaik. So why are you talking about cops running after spanking parents?

"They minded their own business"
And here you get something seriously wrong. When you spank your children, that is NOT just your own business, but first and foremost that of your children. You're neither identical with them, nor do you own your children. Sometimes it is necessary to protect children from their parents, and that's a business for the society.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
ok let's agree to disagree...

You appear to be a lot more judgemental than I am. If this celeb wants to do all the naughty stuff you accuse her of, then that is her choice. Don't expect people in the public eye to be any better than Joe or Jill average. They make shitty mistakes and get up to the same antics as you or I.

Wasn't there a famous US president who behaved like your average horny guy and got caught with his presidential panties down?

Being an American president he had to pretend he didn't have a willie at all, because willies are evil and the work of a horny pleasure loving Devil.

At the show trial, big wig after big wig got all sanctimonious and said they wanted to sack this randy president because he told naughty fibs... It had nothing to do with sex... So they claimed.

One honest big wig got up and said...

"When people claim something has nothing to do with sex, it means it has everything to do with sex."

Conclusion... People are rampant hypocrites on the whole. They love pointing the finger and condemning others and see no faults in themselves.

Here endeth the analogy.
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Earendil10 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Sorry, that anger emoticon on top was an accident , I don't feel that outraged. ;)
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Rie-Anessia Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
Yeah, I felt terrible for Kate That's one reason I have no yearning for fame. When you're famous you have no right to do anything. No right to feed your kids what you want, how to dress them, discipline them, how to dress yourself. Anything.

Kate has 8 freaking kids. She earned the right to spank after the first.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
You have to realise that you are living in a world that is not truly free.

People are brainwashed from dawn to dusk with advertising, with politically correct propaganda messages...

Eat this, don't eat that or you'll turn into a pumpkin. Make big money or your kids will hate you for not taking them to the, so called, best school in the district, the best doctor in town if they're sick...

Big breath...

the best shops to by the latest trendy threads with the expensive tasteful logos... So your 16 year old can look better than her poor, depressed classmates.

Why your 16 year old can join her first exclusive club for popular... RICH kids... How thrilling!

Does it all sound familiar?

Spanking ones insufferable brats is not allowed in European countries, including the UK. It's also illegal in some states of the US.

Basically you break the law if you fart in some countries, and you can be sure there's a cool spy camera or the media, or the thought police to register the offence and send you a huge fine in the post.

Kate is but one victim of the celeb fixated media, of advertising, of our dumb acceptance of subtle big brother tyranny.
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Rie-Anessia Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
All this sounds like the reason I stopped watching tv.

Kids are so ready to attempt to terrify and dominate their parents by telling them if they don't spend the mortgage on stuff they don't need or deserve or even dare to yell at them, they'll call the police.

I know quite a few parents who give in because of that threat, whether they've even done anything.

My stand on it is, let them. Or do it for them. Maybe when the child sees the real abuse that's in some foster homes, or the neglect they'll learn to understand and respect what they have. Be it lots or little.

Everyone has this big whoop about spanking being abuse all because of cases of people who actually did abuse it. Or people who were abuse and think that just looks from parents are cruel.

Bottom line is a lot of people need to grow up. Everyone complains that kids, teens, and adults are out of control but no one is doing anything about it. Then complains about how the nothing they're doing isn't working.

It really is a pitiful world we live in.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
Kids respect guidelines and punishments if they overstep them. The idiots who think kids should be allowed to run wild are saying to the next generation... Do what you like kids, your father and I are to busy making money to guide and discipline you when you do the wrong thing.

And when women like our stressed out celeb do take their naughty kids in hand, what happens... She gets bullied and vilified by the same, let them run wild, do nothing people.
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Rie-Anessia Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013
They have my deepest sympathy.
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
Mine to...

I say, take care of yours and let others take care of their own.
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Rie-Anessia Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013
I was just having this same conversation with the secretary today. Oh, and sir, I found a goldmine today: [link]
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ArtBoy62 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
Most of these clips I've seen here and there... There must be hundreds more. Maybe on some huge database.
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